Thursday 26 July 2012

WITH HER MOTHER'S MILK!!


WITH HER MOTHER'S MILK!!



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Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:32 PM
Subject: WITH HER MOTHER'S MILK!!

WITH HER MOTHER'S MILK!!

There she was at the BDS. Looking at her visage on page 3 of The Australian July 25, I wonder why her parents gave her THAT name!!
Contemplate how perchance Vashti Kenway drank it with her mother's milk!


Geoff Seidner

Geoff Seidner
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East St Kilda 3183
03 9525 9299

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Baillieu seeks to toughen protest laws

Vashti Kenway
Anti-Israel activist Vashti Kenway has had a trespass charge dismissed by a magistrate and said about 200 people were  planning a 'celebratory' protest on Friday Picture: Aaron Francis Source: The Australian
THE Victorian government will investigate whether tougher legislation is needed to prevent political protests closing down businesses, after a magistrate found in favour of anti-Israeli demonstrators targeting the Max Brenner chocolate shop chain.
Premier Ted Baillieu yesterday led a condemnation of the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions campaign, as the activists plan to celebrate their court victory with another protest outside the Melbourne shop on Friday.
"The BDS group in my opinion is better titled as bigoted, dangerous and shameful," Mr Baillieu said. "They have sought to close down businesses just because they are associated with the state of Israel."
Magistrate Simon Garnett dismissed trespass charges against 16 BDS protesters on Monday, finding they had a lawful right to be in the public space outside the store, and their demonstration in July last year was also lawful and did not present a threat to public order. Mr Garnett refused to dismiss charges of assaulting, hindering and resisting police against five of the protesters, with guilty verdicts entered against some yesterday.
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Mr Baillieu said he had asked Attorney-General Robert Clark to work with police to determine what action needed to be taken, refusing to rule out legislative changes to prevent a repeat of Mr Garnett's decision on the trespass charges.
"I remain very concerned when there's any protest that seeks to close down a business," Mr Baillieu said. "Certainly I believe from what I've seen (is) that (with) this particular protest that was their intention."
Chief commissioner Ken Lay said Victoria Police would also seek advice on whether to appeal against the decision, request legislative change or alter their tactics when dealing with protests, but dismissed the protesters' claims it was a landmark decision.
"I'm not seeing a decision that changes forever the way we police these particular demonstrations," Mr Lay told the ABC. "If we see businesses put at risk, if we see people's safety put at risk, we're obliged to take action."
He said preliminary advice indicated police might have undermined their case by creating a human barrier to stop the protesters entering the shop, a view echoed by the Law Institute of Victoria.
BDS campaigner Vashti Kenway, who was among the group arrested for trespass, said organisers were preparing for a celebratory protest with "a few hundred" demonstrators at the same location. "I think it would be an outrage if they tried to enact some legislative change against our right to express our political opinions in public space," she said. "The magistrate's decision was a good one and one that was a blow in the direction of freedom of speech and civil liberties."


Excuses for Lyons

Excuses for Lyons

The below is a better set - out item than what appears on ICJS website.


http://www.icjs-online.org/index.php?article=3790


I am saddened by some  comments on this blog variously espousing excuses, justifications for John Lyons' record.
Here -  under is a grab - bag of unfortunate attempts at ameliorating the unconscionable, justifying the untennable and unrealistically espousing optimism that Lyons has changed his 'spots.'


Uncharitable, mend his ways, then the strained, oblique defacto contradiction about how ''hasbara has improved!'' 


Even Z's  use of ''Hasbara'' is a clear attack on Israel - if you read it carefully.
Zelda C manages to blame the Israeli government via some asinine strained idea that biased attacks on Eretz Israel was penned because of lack of co - operation by said government!!
How ''UNCHARITABLY'' absurd her essential excuse for Lyons is - via the idea that L had to in the past rely on ''local stringers.''
INDEED - he surely did - as he painted regular visages of their 'victimhood! INDEED - HE INTERVIEWED THE PEOPLE THAT HE PAINTED AS VICTIMS OF ISRAELI VIOLENCE OR DISPARATE CONTRIVED, IMAGINED TRAVESTIES!


Then one needs to look at merely the use of the 'but' word: 


''but'' it is a step in the right direction.''


{I once wrote an essay: An 'Ode to the words  But, Butts and Balderdash.' I think the last word was Bullocks!!]


Does the writer realize that this cliched 'step' is not motivated from The Australian's Ramallah correspondent's cold heart?
He has written some of the worst attacks on Israel ever seen on the pages of The Oz. Dozens of times. 
Period.
He has been eviscerated - writes 'nice' articles - and returns to form soon: it is merely time - based.
Then the cycle starts again ad infinitum.

Surely one can see that his latent warm - inner - glow towards Israel was as a result of enormous pressure put on the man by the likes of myself complaining to the editor. I also wrote I to Rupert Murdoch's office in New York - and received immediately a personal apology - from the editor of The Australian.

And to the writer who espouses some sort of ''epihany'' - get real!

''Junk'' articles?
Does this writer seriously think Lyons did not know what he was doing? That he had a pool of monkeys bashing on his keyboard and came up with his many internicine,  pre - ''epiphanous, junk'' of articles.

I am going to send this stream  - and other matters material hereto - to Mr Murdoch's office as well as to the editors of The Australian.

And if perchance more pressure can be put on Lyons to write with human decency - it will not be as a result of some of the 'junk' I have seen above my entries on this esteemed blog.


This writer realizes that a measure of success on one tangent
 of these scribbles will indubitably prove the flaw with the
 obverse.


To wit - I allude as to wheteher Lyons will indeed write 
appropriate articles in future.


It is a matter of historical fact that very few writers change their style unless it is forced on them.
Eventually - when this pressure becomes so great as to be 'intolerable' - they resign - like The Australian's previous scribbler Martin Chulov. He now works for The Guardian!

He too had 'history'!

Geoff Seidner
East St Kilda
http://generallyjewish.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/khghjgt-i-note-with-interest-that-my.html
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Has John Lyons started to learn folly of his previous approach to journalism?http://wotnews.com.au/news/John_Lyons/
Posted on 2012-07-22 03:48:59 GMT

For once some unadulterated facts....John Lyons is usually very unsymaptrhetic to Israel.
Posted on 2012-07-22 04:18:05 GMT

People's attitude towards acts of terrorism can be likened to that of car accidents! Unless they, a loved one, or someone they know is involved in one, they never really think about it! Maybe this experience has been an 'epihpany' for Mr Lyons?
Posted by Freddo on 2012-07-24 02:53:39 GMT

I read this article over the weekend and I was surprised by the unusually sympathetic tone. Until the bit where Lyons surmises that there had been less terror because the Pals have seen that violence is not the answer. This is of course wishful thinking and complete nonsense. The reason that there are fewer successful attacks in Israel is purely a result of Israel's improved security ie The Fence. Every day would-be terrorists are thwarted by Israeli security and border guards. And in Ramallah and elsewhere children continue to be indoctrinated with lessons of hatred and martyrdom. So no points to the Pals.
Posted by Shyrla Werdiger on 2012-07-24 03:03:12 GMT

Or to Lyons really!
Posted by Ronit on 2012-07-24 03:03:54 GMT

John Lyons has 'history.' Any favourable article from him has to be taken with a poisonous grain of humbug! The link below will inform. Geoff Seidner East St Kidahttp://generallyjewish.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/khghjgt-i-note-with-interest-that-my.html
Posted by Geoff Seidner on 2012-07-24 05:04:06 GMT

John Lyons is not Robert Fisk but he has penned some dreadful moral equivalence junk in the past. The current article doesn't add up to a trend but it is a step in the right direction.
Posted by Ymr on 2012-07-24 05:13:32 GMT

What a bunch of uncharitable comments. Sure, John Lyons has written a lot of tripe in the past, but even journalists can mend their ways. So can governments. Until recently, foreign correspondents in Israel were treated with disdain by officialdom and often had to rely on local stringers for information. Clearly, hasbara has improved.
Posted by Zelda Cawthorne on 2012-07-24 06:51:48 GMT

"A single swallow does not a summer make"
Posted by Yoda on 2012-07-24 06:54:30 GMT

I would love to believe that Lyons has changed. But when journalists change opinions they usually tell the reader honestly about the turning point for them eg Nick Cohen. I see nothing of that from Lyons' current piece. What I see is a journalist who has been forced from above to write a piece sympathetic to one side. I'll go out on a limb here and say that the next few articles he writes will be sympathetic to the other side, justifying his journalistic 'balance'. I'd love to be wrong.
Posted on 2012-07-24 08:44:51 GMT

People's attitude towards acts of terrorism can be likened to that of car accidents! Unless they, a loved one, or someone they know is involved in one, they never really think about it! Maybe this experience has been an 'epihpany' for Mr Lyons?
Posted by freddo on 2012-07-24 09:12:53 GMT

One article doesn't make him a friend. Let's see what the future brings.
Posted on 2012-07-24 09:14:10 GMT 


EMAIL TO Newscorp, Editors The Australian


EMAIL TO Newscorp, Editors The Australian 


----- Original Message -----
From: g87
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: I write you about John Lyons

S Kinzie, C /
Rupert Murdoch's Office, NY,
 
Chris Mitchell,
Editor In Chief  The Australian
 
Nick Cater,
Weekend Editor The Australian.
 
Dear People,
Ostensively the Jewish community is pleased with what you have done to perhaps 'change' the  couture / r'aison d'etre of John Lyons' and his basest instints to attack Israel.
I am sending you links to various matters I have written via various web / blogsites, including my own.
 
The Latest entry is the first link ex my 'Generally Jewish blog: others that you will see  are also cognate to the subject
The link immediately below relates to earlier correspondences from 7 May. You will find other links embedded within various posts.
 
Once again - thank you all - say hello to 'Rupert' - and thank him if appropriate.
 
Geoff Seidner
 
 
 

Geoff Seidner
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East St Kilda 3183
03 9525 9299
 
 

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Has John Lyons started to learn folly of his previous approach to journalism?http://wotnews.com.au/news/John_Lyons/
Posted on 2012-07-22 03:48:59 GMT

For once some unadulterated facts....John Lyons is usually very unsymaptrhetic to Israel.
Posted on 2012-07-22 04:18:05 GMT

People's attitude towards acts of terrorism can be likened to that of car accidents! Unless they, a loved one, or someone they know is involved in one, they never really think about it! Maybe this experience has been an 'epihpany' for Mr Lyons?
Posted by Freddo on 2012-07-24 02:53:39 GMT

I read this article over the weekend and I was surprised by the unusually sympathetic tone. Until the bit where Lyons surmises that there had been less terror because the Pals have seen that violence is not the answer. This is of course wishful thinking and complete nonsense. The reason that there are fewer successful attacks in Israel is purely a result of Israel's improved security ie The Fence. Every day would-be terrorists are thwarted by Israeli security and border guards. And in Ramallah and elsewhere children continue to be indoctrinated with lessons of hatred and martyrdom. So no points to the Pals.
Posted by Shyrla Werdiger on 2012-07-24 03:03:12 GMT

Or to Lyons really!
Posted by Ronit on 2012-07-24 03:03:54 GMT

John Lyons has 'history.' Any favourable article from him has to be taken with a poisonous grain of humbug! The link below will inform. Geoff Seidner East St Kidahttp://generallyjewish.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/khghjgt-i-note-with-interest-that-my.html
Posted by Geoff Seidner on 2012-07-24 05:04:06 GMT

John Lyons is not Robert Fisk but he has penned some dreadful moral equivalence junk in the past. The current article doesn't add up to a trend but it is a step in the right direction.
Posted by Ymr on 2012-07-24 05:13:32 GMT

What a bunch of uncharitable comments. Sure, John Lyons has written a lot of tripe in the past, but even journalists can mend their ways. So can governments. Until recently, foreign correspondents in Israel were treated with disdain by officialdom and often had to rely on local stringers for information. Clearly, hasbara has improved.
Posted by Zelda Cawthorne on 2012-07-24 06:51:48 GMT

"A single swallow does not a summer make"
Posted by Yoda on 2012-07-24 06:54:30 GMT

I would love to believe that Lyons has changed. But when journalists change opinions they usually tell the reader honestly about the turning point for them eg Nick Cohen. I see nothing of that from Lyons' current piece. What I see is a journalist who has been forced from above to write a piece sympathetic to one side. I'll go out on a limb here and say that the next few articles he writes will be sympathetic to the other side, justifying his journalistic 'balance'. I'd love to be wrong.
Posted on 2012-07-24 08:44:51 GMT

People's attitude towards acts of terrorism can be likened to that of car accidents! Unless they, a loved one, or someone they know is involved in one, they never really think about it! Maybe this experience has been an 'epihpany' for Mr Lyons?
Posted by freddo on 2012-07-24 09:12:53 GMT

One article doesn't make him a friend. Let's see what the future brings.
Posted on 2012-07-24 09:14:10 GMT

Excuses for Lyons http://www.icjs-online.org/index.php?article=3790 I am saddened by some comments on this blog variously espousing excuses, justifications for John Lyons' record. Here - under is a grab - bag of unfortunate attempts at ameliorating the unconscionable, justifying the untennable and unrealistically espousing optimism that Lyons has changed his 'spots.' Uncharitable, mend his ways, then the strained, oblique defacto contradiction about how ''hasbara has improved!'' Even Z's use of ''Hasbara'' is a clear attack on Israel - if you read it carefully. Zelda C manages to blame the Israeli government via some asinine strained idea that biased attacks on Eretz Israel was penned because of lack of co - operation by said government!! How ''UNCHARITABLY'' absurd her essential excuse for Lyons is - via the idea that L had to in the past rely on ''local stringers.'' INDEED - he surely did - as he painted regular visages of their 'victimhood! INDEED - HE INTERVIEWED THE PEOPLE THAT HE PAINTED AS VICTIMS OF ISRAELI VIOLENCE OR DISPARATE CONTRIVED, IMAGINED TRAVESTIES! Then one needs to look at merely the use of the 'but' word: ''but'' it is a step in the right direction.'' {I once wrote an essay: An 'Ode to the words But, Butts and Balderdash.' I think the last word was Bullocks!!] Does the writer realize that this cliched 'step' is not motivated from The Australian's Ramallah correspondent's cold heart? He has written some of the worst attacks on Israel ever seen on the pages of The Oz. Dozens of times. Period. He has been eviscerated - writes 'nice' articles - and returns to form soon: it is merely time - based. Then the cycle starts again ad infinitum. Surely one can see that his latent warm - inner - glow towards Israel was as a result of enormous pressure put on the man by the likes of myself complaining to the editor. I also wrote I to Rupert Murdoch's office in New York - and received immediately a personal apology - from the editor of The Australian. And to the writer who espouses some sort of ''epihany'' - get real! ''Junk'' articles? Does this writer seriously think Lyons did not know what he was doing? That he had a pool of monkeys bashing on his keyboard and came up with his many internicine, pre - ''epiphanous, junk'' of articles. I am going to send this stream - and other matters material hereto - to Mr Murdoch's office as well as to the editors of The Australian. And if perchance more pressure can be put on Lyons to write with human decency - it will not be as a result of some of the 'junk' I have seen above my entries on this esteemed blog. This writer realizes that a measure of success on one tangent of these scribbles will indubitably prove the flaw with the obverse. To wit - I allude as to wheteher Lyons will indeed write appropriate articles in future. It is a matter of historical fact that very few writers change their style unless it is forced on them. Eventually - when this pressure becomes so great as to be 'intolerable' - they resign - like The Australian's previous scribbler Martin Chulov. He now works for The Guardian! He too had 'history'! Geoff Seidner East St Kildahttp://generallyjewish.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/khghjgt-i-note-with-interest-that-my.html
Posted by Geoff Seidner on 2012-07-26 02:42:09 GMT 

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WOT ON LYONS 


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